He’s already at 225K according to 2022 salary.
As I have said before, hitting the jackpot and getting a great coaching hire from an outsider is rare and has not solved our program issues in the past. When Duffy left, the failure to quickly replace her ( resulted in losing 4 girls to power conference teams) and the poor hire destroyed everything Duffy had built. In football the same thing happened when Haywood left after winning a MAC championship. Most of our women’s basketball hires have not worked out.
If Henderson Day were hired and succeeded, she is the most likely person to stay and run a great program. This would be her dream job, not a stepping stone
GIVE HER A CHANCE !
Of all the other candidates mentioned , the one who interests me the most is Justine Ratterman. She came from a coaching family. Her older sister was the all time leading scorer at BG and was Justine’s hs coach. Her sister has won multiple state championships. Justine spent two successful years at Miami with Duffy and was the one coach off that staff that Duffy chose to take with her. So she also has multiple years at a successful power conference school. Miami might not be her dream job, she has her jersey retired at Dayton, but she would be more likely than those other candidates to stay and create a great program. She also has the advantage of coaching in the MAC for two years. All 3 coaches David Saylor has hired previously had no MAC experience and completely blew their first recruiting classes because they just thought the MAC was just another mid major women’s conference, which it is not.
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Dick, I am having a hard time following your logic. I do agree that any coaching hire is a risk for us.
You act as if there is not as much risk in hiring an insider as an outsider.
That is not supported by the facts.
When Haywood left after winning a MAC championship we hired a Miami guy—Don Treadwell who quickly made us the worst team in FBS.
Another Miami guy, Jerry Peirson, took us downhill after Hedric retired.
We rebounded in MBB with two outsiders—Joby Wright and Herb Sendek.
Yes they left.
However, so have Miami insiders like Randy Walker. Bo, Ara, John Pont, Dick Crum and Terry Hoeppner (not an alum but his long tenure here before becoming HC argued that he might stay for the long term).
The reality is that any coach that is really good and knows their value in the marketplace is not going to stay at Miami if they succeed. Charlie and Hedric stayed but they were both toward the end of their careers and not rising in the coaching profession.
We would not be the Cradle of Coaches if that was not the case.
Miami has always been a stepping stone job and it would be extraordinarily rare if that does not always remain true.
In any event, it makes no sense at all to make a hire based on the probability that the coach would be more likely to stay if they succeed.
For the record, I would absolutely love for us to hire Colleen and see her leave for a bigger job before her contract expires making twice as much money.
Note to David Sayler—Make the buyout clause in her contract very large if you hire her.
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FWIW, Peirson is fourth on Miami’s list of all-time wins thanks to having some guy named Ron Harper for two years out of the six he coached. He had average seasons after that - but way better than Owens and Cooper’s records.
Peirson’s downfall, of course, was altering a player’s grade and getting canned for it.
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Nobody is going to stay if they are really good. With the money that the SEC and B1G will throw at even non-revenue coaches, a person would have to A) be a fool not to lock down their family’s financial future and B) not be very competitive to not have the drive to see if they could take their success to the next level.
If Bergeron were the hottest commodity in college hockey (he’s not) and Wisconsin made that 700K offer to him, I fully expect that he’d have been out the door.
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I don’t think Pierson took us downhill. He had other issues that rightfully led to his dismissal.
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I arrived in Oxford first year after Harper. 4 years with Pierson. No winning BB seasons in my 4 years. I was not impressed.
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I will let the record speak for itself.
1988-89 includes some of the issues you refer to. These numbers include 8 forfeits due to NCAA sanctions.
I agree that his tenure was better than Cooper or Owens.
Interestingly enough, I could speak on this topic as I was at Miami for Hedric, Peirson, Peirson, Peirson. But this has nothing to do with WBB so I won’t. I will say I hope we hire CDH, I hope she is successful, and I hope she makes Miami her destination, and not a stepping stone, despite her success.
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If Colleen is the coach I hope she is successful enough to get offers of big money. Ideally she would be more like Cullop at Toledo and less like Duffy at Miami.
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The minute Duffy has a deep run at Marquette she will go to a bigger job. Them’s the breaks
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true and if a certain Coach Ivey moves out of her position…Duffy will hand deliver her resume.
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Very few coaches are simultaneously competent enough to rebuild a program/sustain that success, and then stick around long-term when that success inevitably attracts bigger programs/higher pay. There are exceptions, but hiring with anticipated loyalty as a core consideration isn’t the wisest approach when our number one goal should be winning. CDH is a probably one of the better candidates who would consider coming here with the state we’re in, but hiring her with longevity in mind is putting the cart before the horse.
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Given the state of the roster, crappy facilities and overall lack of institutional support, I’m very curious to see how many individuals have applied.
Some on this board are arguing that we should hire Coleen Day because the new coach is going to have such success that she will leave us too soon and others are arguing that our program is so crappy we wont get candidates
In my opinion we should get good candidates and we should realize roster turnover is here to stay. I would think a potential coach would think Miami womens sport can thrive- the coach before coach D went to Marquette in 2 years. BG turned their program and 3 years and that coach is now at MSU. It should be a good enough job to get candidates
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All great points. It is also true that there are only 300 or so Div 1 head coaching positions compared to thousands of coaches who want an opportunity. If you have confidence in your coaching ability and are hungry for a chance, there are no bad jobs in D1. That is particularly true at Miami that has an academic profile that is superior to any others in the MAC and almost all of the mid majors when it comes to recruiting young women interested in being a student-athlete.
If athletic director makes another bad hire he needs to this would be his third worst hire in women’s basketball one would clev Wright second was hedrix he better get it right this time
I would just say that I stand by my comments. I would also say that once again David Saylor has done a great disservice to our program by wasting so much time and seeing the roster decimated while failing to take action in a timely fashion. So far we have lost our 3 top players and 2 of our 3 top recruits. That is on him and the next coach is taking over an absolutely decimated roster.
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Soon, in the not-too-distant future, a man named Dick gets a phone call from a familiar set of 513.529 numbers. He picks up and says “hello.” The caller says: “Hi, Dick. It’s David.” There’s a long beat of silence. Dick replies: “David who?” The caller mumbles something about being the AD and continues. “Look, I’ll keep this short. I have no options and we need a temp coach for 2023-24. You will get a small stipend but have to coach a team of 100% walk-on’s, but can bring on anyone you want to help be assistants and we can give them a stipend for their time as well. I’ll even give you a say in who the permanent hire is. Anyhow, can we count on you?” In the background, Jeopardy is on, and Dick is on a 4 game winning streak so he has to cut this short. He says: “Lemme think about it” and hangs up on the AD before remembering he should have asked about the drink carbonation at Millett being improved. Balls!
Anyhow, what does Dick do…
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He says, “Hold on, I got a guy on the other line about some whitewalls.”
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