Mid-Major Top 25

Yes. Just curious.

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The old timers couldnā€™t handle me wanting Charlie Coleā€™s fired.

Iā€™m just glad we are relevant again.

Football is good, Basketball is good and thereā€™s angst back on this boardā€¦ MIAMI IS BACK!

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The board has really been missing something since MrG retreated back to whatever fantasy world he emerged from. We donā€™t even have cats picking games anymore.

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We have nine guys averaging over 13 minutes per game and none over 30. All nine are averaging over 5 points per game.

No one cares about your resume only that you DO NOT KNOW BALL.

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Arguments from Authority are logical fallacies, but please go on.

In 5 of 18 games so far this year, the leading scorer for Miami came off the bench. Probably the more telling stat is that four different players came off the bench - Byers (2), Luers, Potter, and Skaljac - to lead the team in scoring.

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Iā€™ll end this.

ā€œI, CBusHawk/Doug, was wrong. My bad. Go Hawks.ā€

I hesitate to even bring this thread back to the topā€¦

BUT WE BACK TO TOP 20 (19TH)!

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Itā€™s odd that Troy wasnā€™t in the poll despite the fact they were higher than usā€¦maybe itā€™s not scientific. Like when my car wins a JD Power award but then has a recall for a basic part

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They were higher in one power ranking, NET. Other ratings have different criteria. In this case one is a vote of Mid Major coaches. The NET is all based on stats, and very different criteria than the NCAA used to use with RPI. NET favors power conference schools, RPI was better for mid majors. That is why the P4 did away with it. Our being ranked ahead of Troy in this poll is just as valid as Troy being rated ahead of us in NET.

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Thanks for the context

Weā€™d be 103 in RPI. Thatā€™s 41 spots higher than NET!

Funnily enough the MAC is also 19th in RPI rankings. Thatā€™s 4 spots higher than kenpom

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To be fair, RPI is one of the worst predictive computer rankings out there. It doesnā€™t take margin of victory into account.

Interestingā€¦I wouldnā€™t think the point difference would matter as a win is a win, but then I remember while you were studying analytics, I got sucked into a Tim and Eric marathon, so Iā€™m gonna trust your opinion more than mine!

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Itā€™s fine to have a metric that ranks teams based solely on W/L, but for it to work you need to have some bearing on how good the teams they play actually are. RPI doesnā€™t consider margin at all, which means it has no clue. Thatā€™s why something like strength of record is way superior.

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Quad 1 wins is a big part of NET. Midmajors are almost totally shout out of that. Winning percentage is one thing that mid majors can do. That is why they got rid of RP1. All power conference teams get at least 7 05 8 and most double digit opportunities to get Quad 1 wins. This is a major reason that getting at large bids for mid majors is almost a thing of the past.

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RPI has 3 components:

  • Teamā€™s winning percentage (25%)
  • Opponentā€™s winning percentage (50%)
  • Opponentā€™s opponentā€™s winning percentage (25%)

That means 75% of the ranking is things out of your teamā€™s control. So 14-10 Indiana (NET: 61 RPI:59) means about as much as 13-8 Kent (NET:130 RPI:102). It also doesnā€™t care about game location.

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I think the worst part about NET/Kenpom is if Miami beat Indiana or Michigan (our only Q1 opportunities) they probably wouldnā€™t be q1 after that since they lost to a Q3/Q4 team.

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Any computer rankings is ultimately gonna favor one factor or another and therefore help or hurt big or small teams. Ultimately, that is why we play the games.

For what its worth, analysis has shown NET as more predictive of wins and tournament performance than RPI.

What I donā€™t like is the NCAA sayings NET is a major selection criteria, and then ignoring it when its inconvenient. I do think a committee is still a good idea and better than the strict computer rankings, but when 29th NET ranked Indiana St isnā€™t selected, thats a problem.

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Pollitz? :joy:

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