I don’t know if this crosses over into politics or not, but since it is specifically about higher education, so maybe it can just be about addressing the substance of what he’s saying and not devolving into a maga vs. libs pissing match.
Oh no, I’m agreeing with Gottlieb?
I received a rather amusing email today from a colleague referencing this video. The subject was: Is UC becoming Miami University - Cincinnati?
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=>Vivek’s point is economies of scale through merger making education more streamlined and cheaper. He has a point.
The downside would be monopolization of education which drives up costs due to lack of competition. Like if his plan was implemented Ohio State would certainly become Miami University-Columbus (MUC).
So there are two competing forces here.
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I agree; and Vivek is famous for being a big picture, idea guy. How this would happen is another story.
Yet the California system, which by law, bans much of the “competition” that the Ohio system has had for the last 60 years is much more affordable than Ohio’s? Ohio has more 4 year campuses per capita than California, but is less affordable. Ohio has both scores of community colleges and a redundant system of in-house 2-year branch campuses is less affordable than the highly structured California system that strictly separates the community college system from the two (very different) four year university systems. Also, California’s much more affordable system bars the majority of universities from having doctoral programs, professional schools and large research infrastructures.
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Don’t think this is true. Plus add in cost of dorms or off campus housing it’s not close. The cal state schools can be cheaper but they are a lot worse unless you go to the good ones which are more expensive
There’s an enrollment cliff coming up and a lot of universities on shaky footing are going to have serious issues (it’s a problem here in Illinois as well), it’s not the worst idea to adapt ahead of time. Whether or not I trust most politicians to properly manage the reforms and transition is another matter.
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Super idea, but it needs to start with the 2 oldest flagship public schools in the state of Ohio as the leads - Miami U and Ohio U. Then we divide the state into red and green schools so OSU would likely get sucked into the OU suction (oh sorry, I meant section).
In all seriousness, I’ve always seen the public schools that are standalone and unique as Miami, Ohio, Ohio State, and Cincinnati. I’m sure there are plenty of opportunities to improve efficiencies and share resources among the rest. I’ve always thought the main four should stand alone, while the rest and the regional campuses and junior colleges could fall under a separate umbrella and resemble the Cal State system. I’m no expert, but I’m not sure what Miami, UC, OSU, or OU get out of running regional junior colleges other than potentially back filling a few slots that open up if kids transfer, drop out, etc.
Technically, having open admission branch campuses is the only legal way for the main campus to be selective. Miami was only allowed to adopt selective admissions after Hamilton was up and running (67?). But you’re right, having in-house community colleges makes no sense in the modern era. Other than OSU’s ag extension campus, they’re completely redundant to the community college system.
What’s unique about Miami-Hamilton vs main campus?
Courses/Admissions/Teaching staff etc?
Is there a state community college in the Hamilton area that would/could absorb Miami’s purpose?
If there is and they have similar missions maybe something ultimately needs to change including the selective admissions piece.
Does OU/Toledo/Kent St/Akron/UC?OSU all have one or more branches?
QT? For a school like Miami that’s turning away kids with the projected “enrollment cliff” do we lower our standards a tad and keep the place full? (Don’t scream too hard all you Suma types out there.)
Makes sense. I just wonder if the regionals might be better off being run by the folks at Sinclair or Columbus State, who do a wonderful job by the way. I am in no way implying that I think there should be less opportunity, just maybe everyone focusing on their strengths and making the current opportunities better.
I’ve never heard the acronym used for that campus. That’s fantastic!
Gee, here’s an idea…..stop the tax breaks to the super rich so a stoppage of taking money from the public education till finally ends. But that would personally effect Vivak’s personal pocket wouldn’t it. How did state public education make it till now? When did the schools start…150-200+ yrs. ago? How many millions were raised up from their socioeconomic background bc of their public state college education? How many of us on this Board attended Miami as a full-fledged member of the middle class families population? Oh, let’s see…..if it has “public” in its decree, “cut” it, control it, disrespect it. Send our blessings to the privates and mega-connected state schools (that’s known as fan-base to those thinking Miami would even remotely survive a backlash where Buckeye nation had to become one of our branch campuses.)….and screw over public education from the primary to collegiate level. Vivek is just strumming up followers while he protects his wealth/power/weakly-taxxed club. Our “welcome” signs along the interstates should read, “Welcome to the Buckeye state - where corruption, power and gluttony reigns!”
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I personally don’t think that Vivek is the guy to implement this, and I’ll leave it at that.
I also don’t think that there is any chance that Miami or OSU become branches of one or the other. Miami, OSU, OU and UC would be just fine. Merging Akron-KSU and UT-BG is a legit discussion as is simply admitting that WSU has no future and turning it into some DoD research oriented OSU branch makes sense.
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Really?
Vivek is at it again:
https://x.com/rob_shenanigans/status/2037597426710634668?s=46&t=oallIeFEhKH9sCOJPSKdyw
Vivek’s Campaign Song:
