The U.S. women’s national team crashed out of the 2023 World Cup

Dude, every single time I’ve seen a post from you the past 10 or so years, it’s been you talking down to anyone who dares disagree with you.

It’s absolutely hilarious that you’re lecturing – yes, lecturing – the rest of us rubes about how out of touch and ignorant we are by using the same out of touch and ignorant stereotypes.

You seem like an absolutely miserable person, and I frankly have no idea why you ever visit these boards, unless lashing out is some sort of coping mechanism. Until/unless you can learn to show at least a modicum of respect for others, good riddance to you and your snarky, condescending attitude.

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Sweden is not socialist. It is a capitalist economy with extremely high tax rates.

Very well said

Bit of an overreach labeling all of us old FOX guys. It’s pretty easy to spot the ones who are but I certainly don’t fit that niche. If the majority are, they seem to mask it fairly well on the board.

My focus here is on Miami, the MAC and college sports in general. I’m highly political but I’ll fight those battles elsewhere.

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I watched almost every minute besides Portugal. I have two daughters and love the sport.

Rapinoe is one of the top 2 worst people in sports and she ain’t number 2. Horrible role model and you can tell this team had extremely poor leadership.

This team needed a Carli Lloyd or a Tobin Heath to set them straight. NEVER should this team be celebrating a draw and finishing 2nd in their group like they did after Portugal.

Rapinoe danced like a fool like she won the World Cup after scoring the 8th goal in an 13-0 drubbing of Thailand four years ago. KARMA at its absolute best that she missed the PK to win.

Looking forward to a new regime and could care less if they sing the anthem as long as they stand

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Fixed it for you:
Rapinoe is one of the top 2 asshats in sports and she ain’t number 2.

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This is the argument I get frustrated with because it doesn’t acknowledge the truth. The USWNT were offered the same deal as the men. Rapinoe and co actually turned it down.

Where they were correct was on working conditions. The men’s team has a rule to never play on turf, whereas the women regularly did. If it’s not good enough for the men, it shouldn’t be for the women. Those difference in working conditions were addressed as part of the last CBA.

It’s a joke Rapinoe is taking credit for equal pay when she rejected an identical pay structure to the men. She’s welcome to take some credit for equal working conditions.

There have been some politically charged comments/insults. I’m going to purge them and hope folks can keep things as fact-based as possible.

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Really good ESPN piece on the failings of the coach, who never should have been hired to replace Jill Ellis in the first place and definitely should have been fired after the Tokyo Olympics.

They call themselves Democratic Socialists ( same thing Bernie Sanders Calls himself). Same with Norway and Denmark. Last time I looked it up ( 4 or 5 years ago) All 3 had a higher median income than the USA. So whatever form it is, it is working very well for them,

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Getting into nitpicky political science territory here, but the nordic countries are social democracies (liberal democratic capitalist economies with extensive welfare spending) rather than democratic socialists (state ownership of the economy operated through democratic means). Bernie Sanders weirdly chose to market himself as the latter when he’s much closer to the former.

Those countries beat us on life expectancy and basically every measure of well being, but we’re ahead of them on sheer dollars and cents focused metrics like GDP per capita and median income.

Quite right, QB. Norway also has a small population, and huge north sea oil revenue, which skews things a bit. The Danish Prime Minister in 2015: “I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism,” he said. “Therefore, I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy.” I was a POL SCI major, so I love geeking out on this stuff.

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If you want to be really confused about how a complicated, multi-party Parliamentary system works in a Scandinavian country, watch the Danish series Borgen on Netflix.

So I went back to the internet and researched this because your list had very different numbers than others I had seen previously ( for example the list I saw 4 or 5 years ago listed Norway at over $99,000 per adult. USA was around $56,000, which was a little less than Sweden and Denmark.

So it looks like you can make the data say what you want it too. One thing I did not like on your chart was the US was 2021 data, the other countries were earlier years. Here is one chart: Highest median income in “ international dollars “ in March 2021.

  1. Luxembourg. 26,000
  2. UAE. 24,000
  3. Norway. 22,000
  4. Switzerland. 21,000
  5. USA. 19,000
  6. Canada. 18,000
  7. Austria. 18,000
  8. Sweden. 17000
  9. Denmark. 17,000
  10. Netherlands. 17000

When I was in Canada a couple of years ago, a lady was saying she went to dinner in Copenhagen. She ordered a large pizza and a round of drinks for her group of six and the bill was $250.

Denmark was on my travel bucket list until I heard that, especially as much as I like my beer.

I was not done, lol

Another list was top 10 by average income.

Monaco. 186,000

Bermuda. 122,00

Switzerland. 90,000

Luxembourg. 86000

Norway. 83,000

Ireland. 76,000

USA. 70,000

Denmark. 68,000

Singapore. 64,000

Iceland. 63,000

I had never thought of Ireland or Iceland of wealthy counyries

Conclusions…I gave true facts in my original statement. So did Quinoa. Median income varies depending on whether it is measured per person or per adult. It can vary by year. There are stats available to support many different opinions. USA, Norway, Denmark, and Sweden all have economic systems which utilize both Capitalism and Socialism. It is just a matter of how much each uses it. Countries can label themselves as they wish. All four of these countries are near the top of these lists.

Unsure if this is the reasoning, but Ireland has some unique tax laws. Many tech companies establish their EU HQ there so they have some high earners to boost the average without moving the median much. They also allow immigration through investment where individuals with a net worth over €2mil can invest €500,000-1,000,000 for citizenship. I’m curious if that also inflates the average.

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I was in Norway in 1987 and paid $12 for a burger and a coke.

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Isnt it sort of hard to compare the US with Sweden or Finland in these type of studies since the US is like 30 times larger in population and for a variety of other reasons. Also median income would seem to be linked to buying power too. Making $100k in NYC feels different than Ohio too

IIRC, the international dollar takes purchasing power into account and just pegs it to the purchasing power of $1 in the US.

I’m not an economist, but I think there’s pretty significant debate about how much population really matters for things at country scale. I could be convinced that it could impacts Luxemburg, but I don’t see it mattering much beyond that.

I’d be interested in diving into the next level and seeing what purchasing power people have after country-specific necessities. E.g. cars are pretty much required to participate in society inside the US unless you’re in NYC or Chicago.