It still boggles my mind that the 2010 Miami team was an underdog to a 6-6 Middle Tennessee State team in that bowl game. Four weeks earlier, Miami beat a top 25 NIU team for the conference title. MTSU had no significant victories that season.
andystef—Where I came from “winningest” would imply a winning percentage. His tenure, save for his bailout of the Treadwell disaster for which he deserves credit, has beyond that been mediocre.
I was in the room in the Bowels of Yager when B2 stated that Miami’s goal in FB should be to be in the class with Boise; on that score, Chuck has failed miserably while having the best facilities in the MAC.
We can do better and must do better.
CM is a nice guy but not a very competent coach.
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That’s absolutely not going to happen if we continue to throw $8 million rosters at the MAC. With that type of resource disparity, any coach who isn’t a Don Treadwell, Ellis Johnson, Mike Jinx level dipshit should be winning minimum 5 conference games plus the FCS game every season.
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Good for TR at that age.
Gotta give the guy credit; he has always stayed in shape throughout the years.
Why is it other mid majors can hire coaches and not hire mediocrity? I don’t buy the “after CM is worse”. Jason Candle left Toledo and took many players with him. Toledo has a new coach and in year one is doing just fine. And that is an example directly from the MAC. If we can’t hire a competent coach after CM, then the axe needs to go higher up the food chain.
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Sayler has managed to hire (and later extend) Steele, Box, and Smiley this decade. Miami as an athletic department isn’t a complete joke like we were in 2013 when we hired Chuck, we can and should aim for a substantial improvement.
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Disagree. If Shane Montgomery was given 13 years, I believe he would have a superior overall record, better OOC record and better record v Power 4. That wouldn’t necessarily have made him even a good coach, just better than Martin. No doubt those teams he inherited were a disappointment but based on his fairly successful run as an OC since then, he could’ve easily put together a more complete staff than Chuck ever has. Shane was never given slack that Martin has for 13 mostly underwhelming years.
As far as Treadwell , yes Martin brought Miami back to mediocrity (after 4 seasons) but outside of one season, is a total disappointment. Treadwell and Martin do have one thing in common, neither were or are competent Head Coaches.
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Shane wouldn’t have lasted 13 years. He isn’t head coach material. The situation we put him in was inexcusable, but there’s a reason no one else has offered him a head coaching position in the 17 years since we let him go. (I’m not counting his game as an interim at UMass.)
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And yet he still beat UC, Syracuse, and hung with Ohio State.
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He, at least as far as I know, did not do the “Classic Chuck Martin” speech that “we are honored to even step on their field” and “our best players could not even be a walk-on at their program” BS. There were definitely some flaws, but he was a super OC at the time and with proper resources who knows…
To be fair, when Shane became the assistant coach everyone wanted, he did have a future HOF QB, an offensive line that could have started in Columbus as a group, talented receivers and a good group of backs. You’re a much better coordinator when you have Big Ben playing behind a wall of an offensive line.
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Great point, I was in school at miami in 2013, there was zero excitement lol Sayler has a much bigger pool of applicants available to him than he had back in 2013 and he’s hired some solid coaches for most of these teams, I get if he’s hesitant with CM because it is a big decision but it has to be made at some point
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https://x.com/miamistudent/status/2109329182790385984?s=46
Miami student hit piece wasn’t on my bingo card!
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Yeah was surprised to see this article. Author seemed to be reading the mind of this collective here. (or did they read our editorials?)
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They do!
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While I certainly don’t disagree with the sentiment, and I appreciate that it exists, the article does lose some credibility immediately by incorrectly calling UConn an FCS program.
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A legend in Oxford?
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Imo it was probably added to emphasize that the writer isn’t some blind Chuck hater, driving his message of “he’s done a lot here but we need a change.” Which is fair, for better or worse he’s the face of Miami football for a generation of fans.
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