Where is the $8m that funds our roster coming from? I thought it was coming from donations? If so then I think it great if we can become a top G6 school and heads and shoulders above the rest of the league
A lot seem really negative on it - so maybe I dont understand correctly.
I’m not negative on it. I am negative on our ROI so far.
The answer right now is “we don’t know”, at least publicly, maybe some have a bit more inside info. Basically every university has put out policy that protects them from releasing a lot of this information around revenue share and NIL and courts have ruled they don’t need to share (or laws have been passed exempting it from FOIA type requests).
This winter we’ll see the first NCAA financial report from 25-26 that will show the revenue share impact from last year, but from gossip and interviews, that numbers was ALOT lower than this year (Decker mentioned offhand going from “80k to 8 million”, so thats the scale we are talking about).
We won’t see the real impact of this 8 million figure, and how real or fake it is, until the NCAA financial report for 26-27 is released in November/December 2027. Will we see donations/contributions up 8 million? Or will student fees/institution support be paying it?
My main critique is around ROI/impact. What did an 8m dollar roster get us compared to say EMU/Ball State who are spending much less. Yes, we are definitely a lot better than those schools on the MAC scale, but especially if we aren’t winning OOC or in a MAC title game, what did we get?
Compare that to what 8m would get us if it was spent on hoops and hockey. Would that make us nationally elite? Would we still have been able to raise 8m for those sports or were the donors specifically interested in football? There’s a lot of spending and strategy questions on what is the future of Miami football in this world and how much should we be spending if even going to 8m still doesn’t really move the needle much on national relevance. Should we push to spend 15m? 20m? What if we do that and the bottom feeders of power conferences just move up to 30-40m? Are we chasing our tail?
$8M in hockey would win a national championship.
I think it’s closer to 10 million. If we had closed out Cinn and we win the MAC, probably worth it.
Definitely. If we go 8-0 or 7-1 in the MAC and lift the trophy in Detroit, I think there’s real discussion on if we are happy with this as the ceiling for Miami football and the required spend going forward. I think there’d be people on both sides, and its a value judgement. I honestly am not sure where I land, and I guess a lot would depend on the actual sustainability of it. Even though I give what I feel is a lot to Miami, I’m not one of the donors making million dollar rosters happen.
But what if have a solid MAC season, something like 6-2 and either don’t make Detroit or lose to a team like WMU after winning tie breakers (think similar end to last year). Is that an acceptable ceiling for us? Are we happy with that result for the spending or would we rather be making Frozen Fours and maybe more hoops NCAAs with a less relevant football team? Again, not sure there’s a correct answer.
And maybe its not the same pie at all. Maybe the donors specifically care about football and that money couldn’t be solicited and re-routed to other places so the whole spending priority discussion is moot.
I believe the number. I have heard of a couple very large donations
Phase 2 on this board is of course “join ACC”
I’m for putting all the money into basketball and hockey and moving to FCS in football. I know that will never happen but I believe the ROI would be better.
No worries, Grumpy! Chuck thinks we are already in FCS!
I think you are right. It looks like $8-10m may be the cost of simply being in the upper third of MACTION while still being outspent at least two-to-one by our P4 nonconference opponents. For those who aren’t absorbing this point, I refer you to the graphic below. Whether that is a reasonable request of donors or a good use of funds is a question I’ll leave for y’all.
When I invest in a business whether through buying a stock or a direct piece of a private company, I know where my money is going, who is making the key decisions and the processes used to allocate my capital. Finally, I receive/ require a reporting mechanism I can understand to enable me to assess the value of my investment.
When it comes to NIL and intercollegiate athletics, I see very few of the same measurables, reporting mechanisms to “investors” and few reasons to invest in what is being sold.
Here is Miami’s problem going forward-and this was going to be a problem even if we were successful-but now amplified because of the 1-2 start and devastating UC loss-how do you convince those who just contributed towards that 8 million this year to do it again, knowing the results (based on 13 years of history) are likely not to change? That is the question those making the decisions at the top, DS, BOT, etc, have to ponder and answer.
I’ve been a proponent of this for years, not only Miami, but the MAC. We could be a powerhouse.
Wouldnt we and the MAC just reduce our spending and just be the like the rest of FCS?
Wouldnt the talent level go down and wouldnt your lose even more transfers
It happens but it is very rare that a school intentionally moves down - most try to move up (which is what we are doing)
So what do you think the contributing deep pocket alumni are expecting?
11-1 (maybe…a 10-2) regular season?—win the MAC Championship in Detroit and a win a semi decent bowl game?
Based on what I saw Saturday 10-2 is a real possibility. Clean up a few things and continue to get better which is what Martin coached teams always seem to do. By end of the year when we face OU and Western we’ll be hitting our stride.
Question??? So we go 11-2 or 12-1 will our deep pocket alumni still give? Will we meet their expectations? Will you MHT folks continue to give?
What if we go 8-4?
There Is another part of this question. Its not just the “return on investment” for this season but a more important question is whether or not the current model is sustainable for Miami year after year?
How many years can Miami expect a very very small number of Alums to pay the tab that will certainly increase each season?
I do not believe this is sustainable for Miami. Revenue streams are not increasing. There are no 8 figure TV deals on the horizon. No private equity group is interested in investing in the Miami football brand.
I fear this is a very short runway
