I am sorry but steamed bagels aren’t the real thing.
They are the real deal B& D thing. That’s what I was alluding to
Understood. I was at Miami when it opened and I decided to go and try one. To me it was Wonder Bread in the shape of a bagel. I know it’s popular but as a New Yorker I just couldn’t.
I’ve also never found real Italian bread in Southwestern Ohio. Or real Italian food for that matter.
Mama DiSalvo’s is pretty good.
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The flip side of that is that Devil Bro and I have told Devil Mom for years that she could make a killing serving homemade chicken noodles and pies in Manhattan. I’m not quite at the Action Cookbook Newsletter level of plumping for regional foods, but variation across the country is one of the things that makes it interesting to experience different places.
I read the article and it makes some good points. But mediocre Italian food isn’t a regional style; it’s just less than good food.
i live nine miles from the Bronx and know at least 50 obvious restaurants that people in Kettering or Dayton would call the best they’ve ever tasted. The number is probably much higher. Plus I am even including Arthur Avenue (which should referred to as Belmont, the nabe that includes Arthur Ave.
I meant not including the neighborhood including Arthur Avenue.
So, instead of eating mediocre versions of your home favorites in another part of the country and then bitching about it, why not figure out what’s supposed to be local and good to try that? And how impressed are we supposed to be that a metropolitan area with twenty million people has a deeper roster of restaurants than Dayton?
You went to Miami for presumably good reasons, and I’m just wondering at what point you retreated to the old New Yorker “View of the World From 9th Avenue.”
I chose Miami when I was eight years old and I chose my major when I was 12 years old. I loved my time in OXFORD and have very dear memories of my time there.
One of my earliest food memories was when I entered Harris Dining Hall and saw something called Johnny Marzetti. Not good.
i’ve had terrific food in Cincinnati, Dayton, Columbus, and Cleveland and and I really enjoyed the food there. I tried one Italian restaurant in Cleveland that I thought was not very good.
I have had terrific food in Cincinnati, Dayton, Columbus, and Cleveland and and I really enjoyed the food there. I tried one Italian restaurant in Cleveland that I thought was not very good.
The point you made that they’re obviously more opportunities for great Italian food in the New York City area where there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of ethnic Italians living here. Put in the world culinary schools have popped up throughout the country and I’ve changed the eating habits and expectations of Americans. I would’ve thought that I’d get better food when I visited OXFORD in the past 10 years. That wasn’t the case I am not one of those New Yorkers who thinks that everything in New York is better than anywhere else. I’ve had pizza in other places that I thought was wonderful. I must admit I’ve never had a bagel outside of New York that I thought was great until I went to visit friends in Montreal.
Last time I visited the Chicago one of my Miami buddies took me to Manny’s where I had a pastrami there. Well, it wasn’t anything like New York pastrami, particularly Katz’s, I thought it was very good.
True story. I never had bagel and deli until 2 weeks ago and I am 57 and besides 4 years of living in Oxford for college, I have probably been back over 100 times
The reason I never wanted it was I was afraid it was going to be a hard stiff bagel that you might see at a breakfast bagel shop.
I was thrilled that it was really wonder bread in the shape of a bagel and I will definitely go again
If you are in Indy, go to this place, Ripple. And if it looks like Bagel and Deli it’s because the owners’ daughter went to Miami and they asked B&D if they could open a copy cat place. It was outstanding. Have been there 3 times now on the way back to STL.
I ate there once the week it opened and calling it wonder bread in the shape of a bagel is accurate. I asked the owner how he could call that monstrosity a bagel.
He asked if I was from New York. After I answered he requested I never return. No chance of that.
Leo’s in the financial district was a stop of mine
Well if you are ever in St. Louis and craving a bagel, go to Bagels and Bliss. You should like it, not wonder bread. They are closed on Saturday. I still love B & D. And Ripple. And I frequent Bagels and Bliss.
RIP to the Bagel Factory on Olive.