He would likely never start. He does posses a high level of QB intelligence. A live arm with lots of experience. He also has a brother that has connections. I could see him on a roster or part of the scout team.
Finn is probably more dangerous running the ball than the rest of those guys. In college football that is a big part of who is the best QB, so QBR which is based only on passing is not as good a way of ranking college QBās as it is for the NFL. IMO
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Good catch. Time warp! I meant Dustin Crum, another Kent State QB.
Not for someone that is too small. 
I like Finn. But Dick what measure should we use to rank the QBs in college if not QBR? Nice seeing you on Saturday!
As an aside I think Gabbert has been very good this season not only moving in the pocket but running when necessary as well. See UC game in particular. I would like to see us roll him more out of the pocket.
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Well, they call it QBR. Maybe it should be passer rankings PR. Running yardage, how often you get sacked, how many times you scramble for a first down or a TD might be things that should be included to get a true QB rating.
Yes it was good to see you and your lovely wife in Oxford again. I am happy that you will be there more often than in the past.
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IMO, Brett is very effective when the opposition is playing man to man coverage and we send our receivers long or all to one side of the field and he recognizes that and takes off and runs for 10 to 20 yards before defenders get there. He is excellent at seeing that situation and taking advantage of it. I am not a big fan of him running the roll out or an RPO because two of the injuries he has gotten came on those plays, one vs OSU in Columbus and one vs Ball State in Muncie. I also do not think he is effective running the ball inside the 5 yard line and could take some serious hits there. I would urge the staff to put in Aveon when the ball is on the 2 for example. That would give us all kinds of running options ( Aveon, TB, and a WR RPO). He also is unlikely to get hit and injured, he seldom takes hard hits because he runs like a rb. Every time Aveon has been on the field this year and we got in close, we got a TD. Not so with Brett.
Brett said this is the best he has ever felt in his 5 years at Miami, and his downfield passing and his run plays off the downfield patterns have been spectacular. I think we should utilize his expertise in those areas and let Aveon take over in the close to the goalline plays where his skill set fits better than Bretts and also keep Brett healthy.
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Good points regarding Brett and Aveon. The upside to last season is that defenses are well aware of Aveonās running abilities and know that heās a big threat in short-yardage situations if they donāt stack the box, which opens up the rest of the field for unique play calls (perfect example, the WR motion handoff that got us a touchdown against UC). If we keep things basic not too many MAC d-lines can stop Aveon if we run the tush push.
By roll out I mean moving the pocket. He actually does that well, the few times we call it. Of course, first he needs to clap, then the entire offense needs to look at the sidelines for 10 seconds!
I agree.
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I have no opposition to using Aveon near the goal line. But I would not swap him out for Gabbert. I would line him up in the backfield next to Gabbert. Many options doing it that way.
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Dick, I agree with your assessment of Brettās ability to recognize the run in man coverage. Iāll add that he tends to be decisive when he runs. However, I disagree that Aveon is a better option inside the 5. This was discussed in the off season and I confirmed my suspicions by looking at the box scores from last season, Aveon was about 50% effective on short yardage situations (minus the 2nd and 1 or 2 downs that are not short yardage run opportunities). This year we have scored on 1 of the 4 plays with Aveon in at the goal line and did so on a handoff (with a sketchy exchange) after his failed run attempt. Aveon has a skill set like none other on the team but that is running on passing downs. If you prefer him running inside the 5 to preserve Brett, I understand the logic but I donāt believe that it increases the odds of scoring.
I appreciate the use of stats to make your point, but I do not agree with some of your stats. And I would also say that I am not asking for Aveon to replace Brett on short yardage situations when we are away from the goal line. There Brett and the receivers have plenty of room to get open and Brett also has a far better chance to scramble for a first down.
Your stat is 1 out of 4 plays scoring the TD with Aveon at the goal line this year and I donāt think that is correct. I have been at all 4 games so far and I am going by memory and I did leave early from the UMass game and watched the second half from my room, but I donāt think Aveon played in that game.
In the Miami F game Aveon came in late in the game but we never got inside the 5. In the UC game Aveon came in for one play down by the goal line and got stuffed, then Brett came in for one play, then Aveon came back in and had a spectacular handoff which completely fooled the UC defense wh0o were all watching Aveon and Amos run into each other while Kevin Davis went around the end zone un noticed by the defense.
Vs Delaware State we did get stopped at the 2 and took a field goal in the last play of the half, but that was with Gabbert. When Aveon took over, I actually think we scored every single possession that he was in the game. I donāt remember if any of those TDās were on runs inside the 5 or not, but as far as I can see, we have scored a TD every possession that Aveon has been in at QB. Now I am not saying that he personally ran the ball in, just that we have so many more effective options down in close with him at QB that we are hard to defend.
I donāt think the way to measure success of the drive is to look at how many times he ran the ball and how many he scored, it is to look at the team results in those situations. I actually only remember Aveon running the offense inside the 5 once this year, that was for 2 of the 3 plays vs UC and we scored. He may have run plays inside the 5 vs Delaware State, but we scored on every drive while he was in there. So I would say that we havenāt been stopped yet when he is at QB inside the 5.
Dick, your memory is better than mine. I forgot that Brett came in between Aveonās 2 plays at UC. I remembered Aveon coming in for 2 plays but was thinking Brett was in when we scored. So your view is that the element of the unknown is greater with Aveon inside the 5 not that he personally is a better option to carry it across the goal line? That is plausible. It is also possible that Aveon could be the best option in an under center sneak situation but thus far that hasnāt been part of the strategy.
I still maintain the best way to utilize AS inside the 5 is to line him up in the backfield next to Brett. That will become a scheming nightmare for defensive coaches. Either is a threat to pass or run. I wouldnāt be opposed to going somewhat āold schoolā and lining up Amos or Brunson on the other side of Brett from time to time along with AS.
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