I think we would need to become the Boise State of the East and make a national championship at least once to be considered for the ACC. On top of that I think you’d have to see UNC and Florida State go to the SEC plus Clemson and Miami go to the Big 10.
We might be a fit then with UVA, Boston College, Georgia Tech, Wake, Pitt, Syracuse, and SMU. Can’t imagine ever competing with Duke in Hoops. A trip to Palo Alto and Berkeley every couple years would be interesting. Weird thinking we’d ever host the Cal Bears!
It’s not about the value of the education, it’s about the ramp up time and cost associated with new grads. My org is hiring 5 new grads and 75 senior engineers. I’ll let another company pay them while they’re learning. And candidly, AI is good enough that it does most of the work of new grads at similar quality. J Cal is probably very aware that’s what’s replacing them and going the startup route is the quickest way to learn and get yourself into the pool companies are hiring from. Or you end up with a successful company.
I hate to break it to you, but once Clemson, FSU and UNC leave the ACC, the ACC will be the … MAC. If you think the school and the degree is important, then you should want Miami to do nothing regarding expansion, moving, etc. I don’t understand this insane drive to something that can’t possibly be attained. I thought Miami football had a really great 2024 – played in the MACCG and won a rather interesting bowl game, gave us all the warm and fuzzies. Remember we also lost 5 games and we can’t fill a 24K seat stadium. 9-5 needs to be fine with everyone around here. Iowa football is fine with that every year. We don’t have the money or the people to go to the next level, and the ‘next level’ is Ohio State, so if you really want that, its 2 hours up the road. But that’s also no better than the UFL. If you want to watch the best players that get paid, the NFL is on Sundays where its always been.
That seems like the early Dave Aranda philosophy that CM has moved on from. Actually the next level is probably UVA, Wake Forest and Duke in football. I’d be proud to be associated with all of those universities.
Sorry, but 9-5 as is not the level we should be “fine” with. Why would you impose that upon all of us, as in, “9-5 NEEDS to be fine with everyone around here”? Many years 9-5 would be OK. But NOT acceptable as the bar we hope to achieve. No one has said, or implied, that aspiring to a higher level means that we must compete with OSU. Please. Even the most loyal fans know that we can’t. But, as Nescadad posted, how about NWestern, Vandy, Wake, and many others that we can, and have, beaten.
We should attempt, and plan, to compete with many P1,2,3, or 4 programs. What is wrong with aspiring to reach higher?
Nobody is going to be able to keep up with Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, Florida, and the rest of the traditional football powerhouses. My expectation is a EPL-style College Football Table … and then everybody else.
I’d be cool with Miami playing football with App State, Virginia, Oklahoma State, Wake Forest, Va Tech, Northwestern, Purdue… these schools can’t keep up with Ohio State et. al, either.
I agree the next step up is not Ohio st, there is plenty of room for growth, whether it be in the MAC or another conference. A wounded ACC that still had Cuse, Virginia, Duke and Wake among others would be a world changer for Miami. However, I love the MAC, so for now let’s focus on winning a couple P4 games and winning the MAC, we will keep getting better and better bowl games. The creates exposure and a tradition of winning, which brings talent, maybe only for a year or two, but you simply reload.
=>If Miami is going to “move on,” it absolutely has to drop hockey. It is such a resource drain. The program is currently abysmal (1 league win in 2 years???) and has historically never been a good program save for a handful of seasons with Blasi.
If Miami wants to be in an elite league, it has to focus $$$ on men’s basketball and football.
I remember Brad Bates giving us similar briefings and move-up fantasies twenty years ago. With all due respect to Coach Martin – who has a product to sell and should sell big dreams – it was bullshit then and it’s bullshit now.
In fairness they said the goals are AAC or ACC. I dont think AAC is that ridiculous if we were trying to move up. I would guess it is also Toledo and Buffalo and Umass goal
It’s different from 20 years ago in that you literally have college athletes being paid more money to play at USC than as a rookie in the NFL. I personally envision one of 2 things happening: 1. EPL-style table with teams like Ohio State, Notre Dame, Texas, Florida, Bama, Georgia, Penn State competing for the NCAA CFB championship -or- 2. LIV-type league where the teams above compete for a LIV CFB Championship with boo-koo bucks on the line. And the teams in this league aren’t obligated to share with the non-league members…
In either scenario, Miami U is not going to be involved but neither is Cincinnati, Kentucky, Auburn, App State, Houston, Kansas/K-State, Mizzou, Illinois, Stanford, Northwestern, BYU, Purdue, IU, Pitt, Va Tech, Tulane … they don’t have the money or the instutional mission to be Foo’baw Factories.
BUT
There’s a huge demand for college football content. So, what do the CFB non-powers do? That’s where the new conference interactions come in.
It is a sad reality, but true.
Only 7 schools outside the P4 have FBS football + D1 Ice Hockey.
USAFA
West Point
BGSU
WMU
MU
UMASS
UCONN
USAFA and Army can do it as they have tons of funding for all sports and do not have to deal with the NIL. That leaves 5 others of which 4 are from the MAC FBS and UCONN independent.
That is a challenge as none of the above have Big10 or ND budgets and the other hockey schools have lower level football or nonexistent football and some even have no basketball.