# 2023 Cincinnati Reds thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [January 23, 2023, 3:10pm UTC](https://miamihawktalk.fans/t/2023-cincinnati-reds-thread/2176 "2023-01-23T15:10:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![MUHawk0810](https://miamihawktalk.fans/user_avatar/miamihawktalk.fans/muhawk0810/32/5836_2.png) [@MUHawk0810](https://miamihawktalk.fans/u/MUHawk0810)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 11:44am UTC](https://miamihawktalk.fans/t/2023-cincinnati-reds-thread/2176/121 "2023-07-03T11:44:49Z")
Outstanding player, but HOF?? I suppose reaching his milestone the other night helps, but HOF might be reaching it. ---
**Author:** ![2XHawk](https://miamihawktalk.fans/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/2/5e9695/32.png) [@2XHawk](https://miamihawktalk.fans/u/2XHawk)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 12:54pm UTC](https://miamihawktalk.fans/t/2023-cincinnati-reds-thread/2176/122 "2023-07-03T12:54:19Z")
JAWS has Votto as the 12th best first baseman of all time. > **[First Base JAWS Leaders | Baseball-Reference.com](https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_1B.shtml)** > > First Base JAWS Leaders His traditional stats compare favorably with Tony Perez and Orlando Cepeda. Perez got in on the 9th vote and Cepeda was a veterans committee selection. I don’t think it’s a case of if but when for Votto depending on how inclined the voters are to viewing non-traditional stats along with the traditional and who else is in the voting class. ---
**Author:** ![Redhawks16](https://miamihawktalk.fans/user_avatar/miamihawktalk.fans/redhawks16/32/974_2.png) [@Redhawks16](https://miamihawktalk.fans/u/Redhawks16)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 1:43pm UTC](https://miamihawktalk.fans/t/2023-cincinnati-reds-thread/2176/123 "2023-07-03T13:43:54Z")
Yeah I think he’ll definitely get in. It also doesn’t hurt that he’s become much more fan/media friendly over the last few years. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_and\_Honor](https://miamihawktalk.fans/user_avatar/miamihawktalk.fans/love_and_honor/32/38_2.png) [@Love\_and\_Honor](https://miamihawktalk.fans/u/Love_and_Honor)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 4:35pm UTC](https://miamihawktalk.fans/t/2023-cincinnati-reds-thread/2176/124 "2023-07-03T16:35:28Z")
Per Baseball Ref, he’s below the HoF average on a few statistical standards (above for Grey Ink and JAWS). The hall tends to have a bias to players in larger markets, though a bias towards players who spend their entire careers in one place. ---
**Author:** ![Bluesman](https://miamihawktalk.fans/user_avatar/miamihawktalk.fans/bluesman/32/45_2.png) [@Bluesman](https://miamihawktalk.fans/u/Bluesman)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2023, 11:37pm UTC](https://miamihawktalk.fans/t/2023-cincinnati-reds-thread/2176/125 "2023-07-03T23:37:30Z")
Nice HR for Votto with 1 on to put the Reds up 3-0. ---
**Author:** ![Bluesman](https://miamihawktalk.fans/user_avatar/miamihawktalk.fans/bluesman/32/45_2.png) [@Bluesman](https://miamihawktalk.fans/u/Bluesman)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2023, 1:16pm UTC](https://miamihawktalk.fans/t/2023-cincinnati-reds-thread/2176/126 "2023-07-07T13:16:07Z")
Huge stretch of 6 games coming up here with the Brewers. 3 games in Milwaukee right before the All Star break, and then 3 games in Cincinnati immediately after the AS break. Reds could build a nice cushion here with these games. Go Reds! ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyMac](https://miamihawktalk.fans/user_avatar/miamihawktalk.fans/johnnymac/32/52_2.png) [@JohnnyMac](https://miamihawktalk.fans/u/JohnnyMac)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 1:16am UTC](https://miamihawktalk.fans/t/2023-cincinnati-reds-thread/2176/127 "2023-07-08T01:16:36Z")
I played softball with Joe Weimer 20 years ago. His son, Joey, 3-4 years old, used to hang around the team, in the dugout, run the bases after the game, etc. Now that kid is in the majors, kicking ass. Crazy. ---
**Author:** ![bpat](https://miamihawktalk.fans/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/e9bcb4/32.png) [@bpat](https://miamihawktalk.fans/u/bpat)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 11:04pm UTC](https://miamihawktalk.fans/t/2023-cincinnati-reds-thread/2176/128 "2023-07-08T23:04:59Z")
De La Cruz with a single and then steals the next 3 bases! ---
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And it wasn’t even very close at home. 😆 Huge W…headed into the AS break in 1st. ---
**Author:** ![mowch](https://miamihawktalk.fans/user_avatar/miamihawktalk.fans/mowch/32/791_2.png) [@mowch](https://miamihawktalk.fans/u/mowch)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2023, 12:10am UTC](https://miamihawktalk.fans/t/2023-cincinnati-reds-thread/2176/130 "2023-07-09T00:10:06Z")
What has Votto done for you lately? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Bluesman](https://miamihawktalk.fans/user_avatar/miamihawktalk.fans/bluesman/32/45_2.png) [@Bluesman](https://miamihawktalk.fans/u/Bluesman)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2023, 1:02am UTC](https://miamihawktalk.fans/t/2023-cincinnati-reds-thread/2176/131 "2023-07-09T01:02:00Z")
Votto has certainly rebounded nicely. Have to think the energy from the young guys is reenergizing him to some extent. And likewise his steady veteran presence is a plus. All in all fun and exciting team to watch. Let’s keep this run going after the AS break! ---
**Author:** ![Cincykid3](https://miamihawktalk.fans/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/54ee81/32.png) [@Cincykid3](https://miamihawktalk.fans/u/Cincykid3)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2023, 2:15am UTC](https://miamihawktalk.fans/t/2023-cincinnati-reds-thread/2176/132 "2023-07-09T02:15:12Z")
That De La Cruz base stealing sequence was incredible …I watched it live and then and a number of times on replay. What excitement he brings amd as an old school “small ball” baseball fan, I just love how the Reds play the game this year…power, speed, base stealing…the entire package! ---
**Author:** ![Bluesman](https://miamihawktalk.fans/user_avatar/miamihawktalk.fans/bluesman/32/45_2.png) [@Bluesman](https://miamihawktalk.fans/u/Bluesman)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 2:20pm UTC](https://miamihawktalk.fans/t/2023-cincinnati-reds-thread/2176/133 "2023-07-13T14:20:49Z")
So if the Reds enter the trade market, to bolster their playoff chances, who should they go after? To me, the obvious position of need, should they choose to go this route, is starting pitching. I am not by the way advocating one way or the other on entering the trade market. Just discussing “what if” scenarios if they do. One player that would be an interesting pursuit, _ **should the Twins decide to sell rather than buy** _, is former Red, Sonny Gray. Just off an all star game appearance, he is having a good year. One downside to Gray is he is free agent eligible after this year. But perhaps that brings his return value down as a team might only have him for half a season. Anyway, thought I would start the discussion. ---
**Author:** ![YellowNumber5](https://miamihawktalk.fans/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/y/e9bcb4/32.png) [@YellowNumber5](https://miamihawktalk.fans/u/YellowNumber5)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 2:40pm UTC](https://miamihawktalk.fans/t/2023-cincinnati-reds-thread/2176/134 "2023-07-13T14:40:02Z")
Or do you go the opposite approach and get a bunch of guys who can eat up innings. Seems like this approach has been proven to win last couple years. If so, maybe we land a closer and dare I say…Chapman? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Sackman](https://miamihawktalk.fans/user_avatar/miamihawktalk.fans/the_sackman/32/14_2.png) [@The\_Sackman](https://miamihawktalk.fans/u/The_Sackman)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 2:54pm UTC](https://miamihawktalk.fans/t/2023-cincinnati-reds-thread/2176/135 "2023-07-13T14:54:18Z")
Considering he has already been traded to Texas, I would say no. ---
**Author:** ![YellowNumber5](https://miamihawktalk.fans/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/y/e9bcb4/32.png) [@YellowNumber5](https://miamihawktalk.fans/u/YellowNumber5)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 3:00pm UTC](https://miamihawktalk.fans/t/2023-cincinnati-reds-thread/2176/136 "2023-07-13T15:00:32Z")
Oh crap! I didn’t see that. Oh well! ---
**Author:** ![Bluesman](https://miamihawktalk.fans/user_avatar/miamihawktalk.fans/bluesman/32/45_2.png) [@Bluesman](https://miamihawktalk.fans/u/Bluesman)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 3:29pm UTC](https://miamihawktalk.fans/t/2023-cincinnati-reds-thread/2176/137 "2023-07-13T15:29:13Z")
Reds have Diaz. Chapman is not a need. Starting pitching is. ---
**Author:** ![mowch](https://miamihawktalk.fans/user_avatar/miamihawktalk.fans/mowch/32/791_2.png) [@mowch](https://miamihawktalk.fans/u/mowch)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 4:11pm UTC](https://miamihawktalk.fans/t/2023-cincinnati-reds-thread/2176/138 "2023-07-13T16:11:41Z")
A starting rotation of… Greene Lodolo Abbott Ashcraft Williamson …would probably win you the division. But you’re looking at another month before Greene and Lodolo return. I don’t think the Reds can keep playing over .500 ball with Weaver and Lively getting starts, and going with Ashcraft and Abbott as your #1 and #2. All of the short starts are killing the bullpen, and while the pen has been pretty good, I worry about them wearing out. Hopefully Antone can bolster the back end in the near future. If, in 2 weeks, Greene and Lodolo are on track for a mid-August return, I add an expensive veteran starter who is a FA at season’s end (like a Sonny Gray, or even Lance Lynn), as those type of guys won’t require a high prospect in return. What I believe they will do is trade for a bullpen piece or two, like they did in 2021. ---
**Author:** ![YellowNumber5](https://miamihawktalk.fans/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/y/e9bcb4/32.png) [@YellowNumber5](https://miamihawktalk.fans/u/YellowNumber5)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 4:34pm UTC](https://miamihawktalk.fans/t/2023-cincinnati-reds-thread/2176/139 "2023-07-13T16:34:15Z")
My notion was about getting guys who can eat up innings. Assuming a starter deal can’t be reached. ---
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